The Symposium
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Summary
Plato's retelling of the discourses between Socrates and his friends on such subjects as love and desire， truth and illusion， spiritual transcendence and the qualities of a good ruler， profoundly affected the ways in which we view human relationships， society and leadership - and shaped the whole tradition of Western philosophy。
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Ali Jones
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Eros er "en skapende kraft innenfor alle musiske kunster; for det en selv ikke kan eller vet， er det uråd å lære til andre。 Er det kanskje ikke ved kjærlighetens vise verk at alt levende skapes og blir til？ Og hva håndverk og teknikk angår - gjelder det ikke at den fagmann som har Eros til lærer blir berømt， mens den som er uten kjærlighet til sitt fag， må leve beskjedent i mørke？" - Agathon i Symposion。Symposion av Platon består av mange taler som er dedikert kjærligheten。 Med kjærlighet menes Eros er "en skapende kraft innenfor alle musiske kunster; for det en selv ikke kan eller vet， er det uråd å lære til andre。 Er det kanskje ikke ved kjærlighetens vise verk at alt levende skapes og blir til？ Og hva håndverk og teknikk angår - gjelder det ikke at den fagmann som har Eros til lærer blir berømt， mens den som er uten kjærlighet til sitt fag， må leve beskjedent i mørke？" - Agathon i Symposion。Symposion av Platon består av mange taler som er dedikert kjærligheten。 Med kjærlighet menes ikke simpelthen den romantiske kjærlighet， men kjærlighet til visdom， arbeid og venner。 Det tales om den vulgære og den mer ærefulle kjærlighet， om å bli forført som følge av legemlig tiltrekning versus å se opp til noen for deres sjelelige Skjønnhet。 Kjærlighetens definisjon er ikke gitt， men viser sine ulike former og variasjoner i dialogen， hvilket gir teksten et undrende og tenkende preg， fremfor et dogmatisk og prinsipielt。 Dette følger ikke kun av dialog-formen som er fremlagt， men også av at det stadig nevnes at kjærligheten er en streben， der selv guden Eros potensielt streber som følge av at hans vesen er strebende。 。。。more
paula ⚕︎
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"Very different was the reward of the true love of Achilles towards his loverPatroclus— his lover and not his love （the notion that Patroclus was the beloved one is a foolish error into which Aeschylus has fallen， for Achilles was surely the fairer of the two， fairer alsothan all the other heroes; and， as Homer informs us， he was still beardless， and younger far）And greatly as the gods honour the virtue of love， still the return of love on the part of thebeloved to the lover is more admired and "Very different was the reward of the true love of Achilles towards his loverPatroclus— his lover and not his love （the notion that Patroclus was the beloved one is a foolish error into which Aeschylus has fallen， for Achilles was surely the fairer of the two， fairer alsothan all the other heroes; and， as Homer informs us， he was still beardless， and younger far）And greatly as the gods honour the virtue of love， still the return of love on the part of thebeloved to the lover is more admired and valued and rewarded by them， for the lover is moredivine; because he is inspired by God。 Now Achilles was quite aware， for he had been told by hismother， that he might avoid death and return home， and live to a good old age， if he abstainedfrom slaying Hector。 Nevertheless he gave his life to revenge his lover， and dared to die， notonly in his defence， but after he was dead。 Wherefore the gods honoured him even aboveAlcestis， and sent him to the Islands of the Blest。 These are my reasons for affirming that Eros isthe eldest and noblest and mightiest of the gods; and the chiefest author and giver of virtue inlife， and of happiness after death。"YOU ARE RIGHT PLATO， ACHILLES AND HIS LOVER。 。。。more
Amir Salar Pourhasan
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In my opinion almost 100 pages of the book was nothing to me。 Just some interaction explanation between some people which was useless for me。 But last 50 pages was the core。 As Socrates said， love and beautifulness is Philadelphia and science in the deep level。 It need to think more to understand。I guess for a sexual healthy person， love is involved with sex between people。 Not between objects and human， father and son， mother and daughter。
Max
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alcibiades: a-me: hOMOSEXUALITY DETECTED
Eric
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One realizes that， while we owe much to the Greeks for our Western civilization， they had quite different views on much of what we view as civilized - pederasty comes to mind。
Tarjei Johre
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An ensemble of men drinking， flirting （with each other）， and holding eulogies on Eros （Love and Desire）。
Vlad Ungureanu
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I think this one essential read when one seeks to understand what love is。 Maybe unsurprisingly but it feels that the different views presented （in an accessible way） are present in the current western culture
CRISTINO
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“Pero， ¿que no eres flautista？ Por supuesto， y mucho más extraordinario que Marsias。 Éste， en efecto， encantaba a los hombres mediante instrumentos con el poder de su boca y aún hoy encanta al que interprete con la flauta sus melodías —pues las que interpretaba Olimpo digo que son de Marsias， su maestro—。 En todo caso， sus melodías， ya las interprete un buen flautista o una flautista mediocre， son las únicas que hacen que uno quede poseso y revelan， por ser divinas， quiénes necesitan de los dios “Pero， ¿que no eres flautista？ Por supuesto， y mucho más extraordinario que Marsias。 Éste， en efecto， encantaba a los hombres mediante instrumentos con el poder de su boca y aún hoy encanta al que interprete con la flauta sus melodías —pues las que interpretaba Olimpo digo que son de Marsias， su maestro—。 En todo caso， sus melodías， ya las interprete un buen flautista o una flautista mediocre， son las únicas que hacen que uno quede poseso y revelan， por ser divinas， quiénes necesitan de los dioses y de los ritos de iniciación。 Mas tú te diferencias de él sólo en que sin instrumentos， con tus meras palabras， haces lo mismo。 De hecho， cuando nosotros oímos a algún otro， aunque sea muy buen orador， pronunciar otros discursos， a ninguno nos importa， por así decir， nada。 Pero cuando se te oye a ti o a otro pronunciando tus palabras， aunque sea muy torpe el que las pronuncie， ya se trate de mujer， hombre o joven quien las escucha， quedamos pasmados y posesos。 Yo， al menos， señores， si no fuera porque iba a parecer que estoy totalmente borracho， os diría bajo juramento qué impresiones me han causado personalmente sus palabras y todavía ahora me causan。 Efectivamente， cuando le escucho» mi corazón palpita mucho más que el de los poseídos por la música de los coribantes， las lágrimas se me caen por culpa de sus palabras y veo que también a otros muchos les ocurre lo mismo。 En cambio， al oír a Pericles y a otros buenos oradores， si bien pensaba que hablaban elocuentemente， no me ocurría， sin embargo， nada semejante， ni se alborotaba mí alma， ni se irritaba en la idea de que vivía como esclavo， mientras que por culpa de este Marsias， aquí presente， muchas veces me he encontrado， precisamente， en un estado tal que me parecía que no valía la pena vivir en las condiciones en que estoy。 Y esto， Sócrates， no dirás que no es verdad。 Incluso todavía ahora soy plenamente consciente de que si quisiera prestarle oído no resistiría， sino que me pasaría lo mismo， pues me obliga a reconocer que， a pesar de estar falto de muchas cosas， aún me descuido de mí mismo y me ocupo de los asuntos de los atenienses。 A la fuerza， pues， me tapo los oídos y salgo huyendo de él como de las sirenas， para no envejecer sentado aquí a su lado。 Sólo ante él de entre todos los hombres he sentido lo que no se creería que hay en mí: el avergonzarme ante alguien。 Yo me avergüenzo únicamente ante él， pues sé perfectamente que， si bien no puedo negarle que no se debe hacer lo que ordena， sin embargo， cuando me aparto de su lado， me dejo vencer por el honor que me dispensa la multitud。 Por consiguiente， me escapo de él y huyo， y cada vez que le veo me avergüenzo de lo que he reconocido。 Y muchas veces vería con agrado que ya no viviera entre los hombres， pero si esto sucediera， bien sé que me dolería mucho más， de modo que no sé cómo tratar con este hombre”。 。。。more
Ana-Maria Niculescu
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Absolutely brilliant。 I cried， laughed， had revelatory moments all in a few short pages。 This is work of brilliance。 When I read the last few words my thoughts went immediately to Shakespeare's work。 Later to find out there are some influences。 The joy！One of my top reads of 2021。 Absolutely brilliant。 I cried， laughed， had revelatory moments all in a few short pages。 This is work of brilliance。 When I read the last few words my thoughts went immediately to Shakespeare's work。 Later to find out there are some influences。 The joy！One of my top reads of 2021。 。。。more
pee
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i am now an alcibiades stan
Stephen
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A bit difficult to read。 The translated term love likely meant Eros， god of love， in the original language。 It is a short work and definitely worth the few hours to read and enjoy every sentence。 Highly recommended。
jacqueline
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really creepy at times but interesting reflections on love and argument
kerrie
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yeah this is a philosophical text about the nature of love but eryximachus telling aristophanes how to get rid of the hiccups， alcibiades drunkenly crashing the symposium and giving a ridiculously long ‘praise of socrates’ ending by exposing socrates as being the original fuckboy， and socrates flirting with agathon to make alcibiades jealous but then going home alone warrants this a comedy
Zoe H
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Ancient Greek political arguments about why male homosexuality is true love and the most beautiful form of love！
Arezoo Banooei
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وانگهی عشق سرچشمه ی بزرگترین منافع بنی آدم است و هر آدمی در آغاز زندگی خود هیچ سود و سعادتی را همانند آن نتواند یافت که:"دوست بدارد و دوستش بدارند。" وانگهی عشق سرچشمه ی بزرگترین منافع بنی آدم است و هر آدمی در آغاز زندگی خود هیچ سود و سعادتی را همانند آن نتواند یافت که:"دوست بدارد و دوستش بدارند。" 。。。more
Nicole Perez
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Sarebbe più 4。5 ma comunque bellissimo
Devin Lawler
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wild！ now i call myself cool
Toni Whitcombe
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This was initially tough to read as i did not find the speeches prior to Agathon’s very compelling。 However， Agathon & Socrates’ eulogies were great （particularly that which reflected upon Diotima’s arguments about the self， immortality， the reproduction of ideas & love being that which lies in a realm between the mortal and immortal）。 It was also fun to read the story about Zeus cutting human beings in half。The drunken drama + love triangle between Socrates， Agathon and Alcibiades was quite ent This was initially tough to read as i did not find the speeches prior to Agathon’s very compelling。 However， Agathon & Socrates’ eulogies were great （particularly that which reflected upon Diotima’s arguments about the self， immortality， the reproduction of ideas & love being that which lies in a realm between the mortal and immortal）。 It was also fun to read the story about Zeus cutting human beings in half。The drunken drama + love triangle between Socrates， Agathon and Alcibiades was quite entertaining too。 。。。more
Gus López
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Inicia mucho antes de que inicie el banquete organizado en honor a Agatón y su debud de aquella noche， Sócrates junto con un amigo se dirigen a la casa del agasajado para tomar parte del festejo no obstante Sócrates se queda retrasado en el camino ya que se detiene a pensar， ya estando todos en el salón se concierta hacer una alabanza a Eros， todos hacen una exposición， incluso Aristófanes está en la reunión y da cuenta del mito en el origen del ser humano y cuando fue dividido en dos por los di Inicia mucho antes de que inicie el banquete organizado en honor a Agatón y su debud de aquella noche， Sócrates junto con un amigo se dirigen a la casa del agasajado para tomar parte del festejo no obstante Sócrates se queda retrasado en el camino ya que se detiene a pensar， ya estando todos en el salón se concierta hacer una alabanza a Eros， todos hacen una exposición， incluso Aristófanes está en la reunión y da cuenta del mito en el origen del ser humano y cuando fue dividido en dos por los dioses。 Sócrates aquí refiere las enseñanzas que le expuso la sabia Diotima。Este dialogo también es famoso porque a la mitad de la reunión llega Alcibíades bajo los influjos del vino quien reclama el trato frio que le ha dispensado Sócrates a sus proposiciones e insinuaciones amorosas。 。。。more
Hannah Horcha
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I love plato but he’s kind of classist。 So it’s complicated
Caspar Bryant
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101st book！anyway this is a pretty fun dialogue。 Works well with Phaedrus - who is present。 Socrates says what is love and things kind of roll from there。It's The Gayest I've read from Plato。 There's also some interesting talk of a third sex - 'neither man nor woman'。 All sorts going on。 So it's a busy text！ Makes a good read too。 It's neither dull nor brain-in-knots metaphysical （Parmenides）。 Socrates isn't completely insufferable here either。 Good time。 Might be a decent intro to Plato？ They a 101st book！anyway this is a pretty fun dialogue。 Works well with Phaedrus - who is present。 Socrates says what is love and things kind of roll from there。It's The Gayest I've read from Plato。 There's also some interesting talk of a third sex - 'neither man nor woman'。 All sorts going on。 So it's a busy text！ Makes a good read too。 It's neither dull nor brain-in-knots metaphysical （Parmenides）。 Socrates isn't completely insufferable here either。 Good time。 Might be a decent intro to Plato？ They all are， save Parme。 。。。more
Jeshwanth Pilla
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A lover loves attractive things because he wants them to be his。 But what will a person gain if he gets these attractive things？ Nothing beats the philosophical discussions between elite intellectuals while lying on the couch and sipping on the wine。 Everyone takes pride in giving their eulogies on love until the real boss （Socrates） steps in and delivers it thug life。 In fact， Socrates is so humble and with mock modesty， he creates an alter-ego （people say） Diotima to make the fellow dudes fee A lover loves attractive things because he wants them to be his。 But what will a person gain if he gets these attractive things？ Nothing beats the philosophical discussions between elite intellectuals while lying on the couch and sipping on the wine。 Everyone takes pride in giving their eulogies on love until the real boss （Socrates） steps in and delivers it thug life。 In fact， Socrates is so humble and with mock modesty， he creates an alter-ego （people say） Diotima to make the fellow dudes feel a bit less inferior to him。 In the end， it was funny to hear Alcibiades's（Socrates lover） lustful speech on Socrates's intelligence and wisdom。 It was interesting to know that homoeroticism is very natural in those times at least among the elite class。 The introduction from Robin Waterfield is really helpful。 Overall good to know that Platonic love is all about one's happiness and goodness。 And pity the ignorant people reading love quotes on Facebook didn't know that it all came from this ancient classic！！ 。。。more
Paula
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"Pues yo， al menos， no sabría decir qué bien para uno recién llegado a la juventud hay mayor que un buen amante y para un buen amante que un buen amado。" "Pues yo， al menos， no sabría decir qué bien para uno recién llegado a la juventud hay mayor que un buen amante y para un buen amante que un buen amado。" 。。。more
Kessal001
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Un grande classico， tratta temi che spaziano dell'eros alla conoscenza， molto piacevole e intuitivo， unico scoglio il linguaggio sicuramente molto particolare。 Un grande classico， tratta temi che spaziano dell'eros alla conoscenza， molto piacevole e intuitivo， unico scoglio il linguaggio sicuramente molto particolare。 。。。more
Aurora
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El alma siempre fue， es y será lo más divino de cada ser; y es eso lo que le hace ser。
Aemilius
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The book that I will revisit in times of confusion
Mariana Manrique
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Aristophanes story of soul mates。
willow （◍•ᴗ•◍）
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Plato's "Symposium" has much to offer to classics students and to the general reader。 The book provides useful literary and cultural background regarding the conduct of Greek symposia。 It is filled with valuable interpretive remarks， as for example when Hunter proposes that Alcibiades' depiction of Socrates "as a carved Silenus" instantiates a "common form of a sympotic verbal game， the 'likeness'—'Why is X （usually one of the symposiasts） like Y （usually something nonhuman）？'"Plato's "Symposium Plato's "Symposium" has much to offer to classics students and to the general reader。 The book provides useful literary and cultural background regarding the conduct of Greek symposia。 It is filled with valuable interpretive remarks， as for example when Hunter proposes that Alcibiades' depiction of Socrates "as a carved Silenus" instantiates a "common form of a sympotic verbal game， the 'likeness'—'Why is X （usually one of the symposiasts） like Y （usually something nonhuman）？'"Plato's "Symposium" will also provide valuable background knowledge to readers。 An apparent rejection of the value of lasting love between individuals has often seemed to modern readers to present a harshly intellectual view of erôs which ignores basic， universal facts of human experience and which offers little comfort to all but a Socrates。 It will not， I think， be evident to readers that aren't already familiar with pertinent philosophical literature on the ascent to just what interpretive debate this remark is （at most） a glancing gesture。 。。。more
Fran Tbp
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Si Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind es la mejor película sobre el amor， que para mí lo es， entonces El Banquete sería quizá el mejor libro。 Salvando las diferencias， diría que es como el Principito， corto y para leerlo y releerlo en varios momentos de la vida。
ryan willis
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4 stars
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